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PROBATION AFTER DEATH - 10/26/14

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Andrew

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10/20/2014 07:59

So what's all the fuss?

"Science reveals Soul as God, untouched by sin and death, — as the central life and intelligence around which circle harmoniously all things in the systems of Mind. There is neither growth, maturity, nor decay in Soul."SH8

Human good is far more tenacious in perpetuating material error, a self apart from God, and therefore embracing growth, maturity, and decay!! How ironic!

"Mrs. Eddy was always fighting against being deceived by illusion, especially the illusion of human good, which has only human falsity back of it. Had Mrs. Eddy been deceived by human good or evil, such an error would have thrown her back into the universal human belief which is the train that is taking every mortal on earth down to destruction." (p.84, Visions of MBE, by G. C. Carpenter)




 
Sharon

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10/21/2014 17:00

Re: So what's all the fuss?

I found that every time my life was harmonious, it turned into “horribleness.” I had shut God out. At first it was so-called wonderful, but without God in my life, it was an illusion and a bad dream and brought harm which is part of harmonious. Then all the problems started because I was fast asleep.
As I woke up to the fact I was having a nightmare, and worked and prayed to God, my life turned around. I’d rather have some challenges to wrestle with, not a harmonious life, and with God I am the victor.




 
Lenni

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10/24/2014 12:20

Re: So what's all the fuss?

So should our lives be ever agitated? Mrs. Eddy speaks of the “ever- agitated but healthful waters of Truth” in contrast to the “quiet surface of error.” This whole thing about human good and human harmony and how they’re deadly in Christian Science seem to pretty well trip everyone up – at least some of the time. As much as we talk about it here and I think I understand, I still turn around and get tripped up by it the next day which makes me think I never totally understood in the first place. So I guess I’ll really step in it this week by asking, how does one tell the difference between human harmony and spiritual harmony? How do we know that the harmony we experience either individually or as a church is the good kind or just the bad human variety that’s lulling us to sleep and distancing us from God rather than bringing us closer to him?



 
Andrew

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10/24/2014 12:37

Re: So what's all the fuss?

How do we know that the harmony we experience either individually or as a church is the good kind or just the bad human variety that’s lulling us to sleep and distancing us from God rather than bringing us closer to him?


Spiritual sense. Without it you cannot tell. In 1st Edition S&H, it is explained that "personal sense" can never understand Truth. Only through Principle does understanding come. Personal sense is just belief.

Most CSers are operating entirely from the standpoint of personal sense. I recommend searching "personal sense" 1st Edition - it will help. Then start questioning yourself, am I governed by personal sense here, or Principle? Don't think you can put this off. Without spiritual sense, you simply are unable to discern right from wrong, although you think you can! That is the danger of personal sense.




 
Andrew

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10/24/2014 13:30

Re: So what's all the fuss?

Also - Spiritual Footsteps is full of examples where the good worker would be rebuked despite everything looking fine. Mrs. Eddy was not impressed by outward appearances, but smelled the human, personal, Godless motive behind it.

Some of us were privileged to witness Mrs. Evans in operation at her best. Rarely was there not a rebuke on entering a gathering - the harder one tried to make sure it was harmonious, the more likely the rebuke. Once the "atmosphere" of human harmony was shattered, there was a noticeably clearer atmosphere afterwards.

This I believe illustrates "Where two or three are gathered together IN MY NAME, there am I in the midst of them." Christ does not smooth over to establish human harmony. His presence is always a rebuke to it. If not rebuke to human harmony, not presence of Christ.

Edited by Andrew - 10/24/2014 13:31




 
Susanne

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10/24/2014 17:23

Re: So what's all the fuss?

Then start questioning yourself, am I governed by personal sense here, or Principle? Don't think you can put this off. Without spiritual sense, you simply are unable to discern right from wrong, although you think you can! That is the danger of personal sense.


I'm thinking it's time to re-read the trial (S&H starting on p. 430) where Personal Sense is the plaintiff! This whole "personal sense" thing seems to be a key point in a correct understanding of Christian Science. I look forward to understanding this better because I don't want the harm in harmonious!