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Andrew

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08/20/2014 08:05

wrong motive -> defeat

"A wrong motive involves defeat. In the Science of Mind-healing, it is imperative to be honest, for victory rests on the side of immutable right."SH11
Wrong motive: anything that excludes Principle/Love - "I want a harmonious vacation, a successful business, a happy family, a filled church, to be the best that I can be. I know that all this good is the will of God, because He is good. Now let's get on with it!" - This one may get what he wants, but will never express spiritual power, will never be a follower of Christ, will never approach his divine destiny.
"Imperative to be honest" - "is it peace, peace" that I strive for, or is it the will of God, Spirit, because I know only He knows what is good and right for me and mine? Am I becoming more dependent on Him with this "want" of mine? If not, I am defying Principle!

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MaryBeth

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08/20/2014 10:40

Re: wrong motive -> defeat

This “harmonious vacation, successful business, happy family” stuff without one iota of God in it - is what totally deadens individual growth. It also has aided in the gradual demise of the Christian Science movement generally. When one gets so enamored with the “golden eggs” and forgets the great Giver of the eggs (so to speak) trouble lies ahead! Harmonious matter (if there ever could even be such a thing) is never the goal. This is why Mrs. Eddy states in Science and Health, “Better the suffering which awakens mortal mind from its fleshly dream, than the false pleasures which tend to perpetuate this dream.”!



 
Susanne

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08/20/2014 10:40

Re: wrong motive -> defeat

Wrong motive: anything that excludes Principle/Love - "I want a harmonious vacation, a successful business, a happy family, a filled church, to be the best that I can be. I know that all this good is the will of God, because He is good. Now let's get on with it!" - This one may get what he wants, but will never express spiritual power, will never be a follower of Christ, will never approach his divine destiny.


"Hmm… I thought religion, and especially this powerful Christian Science stuff, was supposed to make our lives better? Isn't "a little bit better", better than nothing? I mean, isn't this religion better than other religions? Can't I just "use" C.S. to improve my situation? Don't make me work too hard, though…I'm pretty busy..."

I can see some of my previous views of C.S. in your post, Andrew! You've brought up such a good point here. The problem with just "using" C.S. to keep things smooth… is that when things get tough, and they do, you're unequipped, because there has been no understanding of the Principle. The defeat I suffered as a result of my own wrong motives, fortunately led me to Plainfield. Because I knew that C.S. was "the way" and somehow I was not getting it right.

Subsequently, I found the "straight and narrow way" was not the restriction I thought it would be, but freedom!

Thanks, Andrew, for the constant reminder on this point about Principle/Love.




 
A T M

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08/20/2014 12:13

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“harmonious vacation, successful business, happy family” stuff


This prayer actually is error talking - wanting to remain covered - when what is needed is the complete expulsion of it. I had a vacation recently in which I felt pretty lousy about 40% of time. I was forced to go to God and work more. Eventully on that trip I found peace and got stronger. When does human perfection ever force us closer to God?




 
Florence

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08/21/2014 06:04

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And yet somehow the world thought is strongly this;that the more humanly harmonious,successful etc the likelihood that you are living rightly, you are doing things right, God is blessing you!



 
Andrew

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08/21/2014 07:37

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And yet somehow the world thought is strongly this;that the more humanly harmonious,successful etc the likelihood that you are living rightly, you are doing things right, God is blessing you!

Vanity, vanity, vanity - all laid out in Ecclesiastes (Bible). No peace, security, or happiness in material things. Only distraction from the one God, Life, Truth, and Love, which is the only source of peace, security and happiness. If we are not acknowledging God in all our ways, we are denying Him, embracing sin, disease and death! Quite simple, really, no matter what the physical senses might say.




 
Peter

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08/21/2014 08:18

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On the other hand, it is almost always suffering (and a correlating desire for harmony) that turns us to God, and starts our progress.

And, we should not accept discord, lack, etc., in our experience as from God.

There is also a line of thought that rejects abundance as being not Godly, and is judgmental of those who drive nice cars and wear nice clothes as being vain by virtue of those things.

So, what is the guide? Is it that our motive should be to seek God? What about the person who is suffering - would they seek God if such seeking wouldn't give him the relief he was desperate for?




 
Andrew

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08/21/2014 10:00

Re: wrong motive -> defeat

What about the person who is suffering - would they seek God if such seeking wouldn't give him the relief he was desperate for?

What is God? Is it not the limited, perhaps ill-conceived God that is the problem?




 
A T M

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08/21/2014 10:08

Re: wrong motive -> defeat

From Gilbert Carpenter's 500 Watching Points:

212 — WATCH less you attempt to remove the top layer of the human problem, without recognizing that there is an under layer which must finally be eliminated as well. The top layer is sin, sickness and death, which is superimposed on the bottom layer, or the belief in materiality. Our initial demonstrations in Christian Science seek to remove the top layer, in order to have harmonious materiality, and this is legitimate if we do this to prove the power of God, and to set our religion before the world in such a way that they will be drawn to it.

The wise student, however, knows that animal magnetism works through the belief in materiality. Hence it is not scientific to try to separate discord from that upon which discord is based, in an effort to establish for mortal man a permanently harmonious Adam dream, except as this is done to prove the possibilities for harmony that lie in the demonstration of Christian Science. This is only another way of saying that we must not linger in the second degree as set forth on page 115 of Science and Health but hasten on to the third degree. If you were digging for treasure and came to that which was valuable, if you but knew that below lay the real treasure, you would not stop digging merely because you found a small treasure. The second degree, or human harmony, is a treasure, but it is only a treasure that points to the real treasure, which is found in the third degree, — namely, spiritual harmony.




 
parthens

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08/21/2014 12:59

Re: wrong motive -> defeat

The Book of Job teaches that it is not suffering in itself that makes me grow spiritually, but how I react to the suffering, how I keep the first of the 10 commandments in the midst of it.

Before the test-flight plane crash that left him paralyzed from the eyelids down, MetLife multimillionaire Morris Goodman summed up his spiritual life as lukewarm at best: “It wasn’t that I didn’t believe in God, but it was kind of like I let God do His little thing, and I did my own little thing. But I think the accident in retrospect was probably the best thing that ever happened to me.” Immediately after the crash, Morris mounted an offensive of nonstop inner prayer for God to come to his aid. The makers of the film, The Secret, curiously left this all-important fact out of its 3-minute segment on Morris:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=morris+miracle+man.

A longer version of this testimony, in which Morris also paraphrases Mrs. Eddy at 27:12 -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJjRgwWSFlQ

http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/amazing/morris_goodman071806.aspx -- Morris on his commitment to God. It is evident from his writings, talks, and interviews that this commitment brought him his permanent healing; his constructive-thinking success had its underpinnings not in the secular metaphysics of human presumption but in divine metaphysics, which requires life-changing repentance and humility before God.

In keeping with Watching Point 212 above - "A grain of Christian Science does wonders for mortals, so omnipotent is Truth, but more of Christian Science must be gained in order to continue in well doing" (SH 449:3-6).

Edited by parthens - 08/22/2014 13:21